Reader J.K. -
“This is a piece of shit. You are posting this knowing full and well that a large number of your readers are 2-3 even on their 4th year in school… and you are absolutely smashing their dreams. Sure- tell them it’s hard… tell them what they won’t hear in school…Complaining to your colleagues about how hard your field is won’t get you anywhere. You make it sound like you are failing- when we all know that you are one of the few who is managing to make it work. Did you view it as a failure when you said you were finished with journalism? Did any of us view YOU as a failure when you made that announcement? No. You made a career choice… one that you couldn’t have without your background in photojournalism… regardless of where you learned it. So instead of telling your valued readers that their degree is worth nothing- and that they are headed into a black hole…why not inform them on how to make it work?”
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Great discussion going here and well said. I like your energy. I do embrace my background in photojournalism. It gave me great training and I’m able to shoot a variety of situations commercially because of it and I still do shoot editorially because I enjoy it. On the other hand I feel the educational system that produces photographers could do a better job at educating them on the difficulties they will face in addition to developing a keen business sense. It feels as if students are pushed through without having a real sense of what they face. My goal with this blog is to inform photographers old and young of things I’ve learned along the way…what I wish I had learned before jumping in. There’s some good insight on previous posts on my marketing strategies and things I’ve found helpful thus far. Stay tuned.
- Monk
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Reader R.R. -
“Hey. I was just reading your posts about newspapers. It’s why I was desperate to get out–I saw the train wreck that has been this year coming. When I took my staff gig I thought we’d be safe bc we were already down to a skeletal staff, but not so!”
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Reader J.L. -
“I guess your recent blog activity is just trying to draw some attention and hits to your blog or business?? Because its certainly not a real examination or anything resembling such difficult questions… all coming from a somewhat recent Mizzou graduate, if I’m not mistaken (despite whatever business context your previous vocation involved)??
I’m all for rants and the like — but they should be rooted in the context and realities of this industry, and yours have not been. Of course Mizzou, Ohio, WKU aren’t geared for the massive changes and depression of the photography industry… they are set up to get their students real jobs, and “freelance” isn’t a job. What are they supposed to tell parents after their son/daughter has spent 4 years and 80k on their “education”? Mr. Rees, what can you tell our kid now that they graduated?… “Good luck in Brooklyn?!”
Of course newspapers are DOA… Duh. But photojournalism is independent of that, and its a lot more complicated to read its pulse. You would think that nearly 20 years after it was called dead the last time, people would learn better. And “our generation” whatever that means… does read the paper, they just don’t read it in printed form.
Lastly, trying to draw out comparisons between celebrity popular culture and other artistic endeavors is an empty gesture. Get real… movies vs. Pulitzer. Pop songs vs. NY Philharmonic. Peanuts vs. poet laureates. What a joke.
Anyway — having a bag of bullet points doesn’t mean much if you don’t have anything new to say, or any solutions to offer — especially if you audience seems to largely be a bunch of kids in school during an extremely difficult time for photography.”
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Great response. There is certainly a distinction between photojournalism and newspapers jobs. My main focus in this post is on newspaper jobs, which naturally encompasses photojournalism. I think we can agree newspapers are done. Not for everyone, but many. Of course this is not new information to current practitioners but it is to some of those starting out.
I’ll go back to my fundamental argument. If we know the industry is suffering and the odds of making it are difficult, why not arm students with more than how to take photographs and tell stories? Why not teach them pertinent business skills in addition to capturing moments? Why not have the discussion (involving parents) with them that even though they might be the best, they still might not make it? This doesn’t happen enough, if at all.
Certainly there can be more resources directed towards enriching this part of the education. Freelance vs. having a job misses the point in my opinion. With over 50% (BLS) of photographers eventually working for themselves (a number higher than almost any other industry) it makes no sense why the economics are rarely discussed in the classroom. Thus, the extreme example of celebrities vs news photos. It’s extreme, of course as my preface noted, it does however illustrate where the economic value of images in our society lies…and it’s not in news in my opinion. Salaries and stock sales validate that.
What happens when they get laid off and that’s all they know? Wouldn’t it be good to have an understanding of business in photography? I can guarantee the solutions (no matter how scant they are) presented here on previous posts regarding marketing and business practices are more than students are given in their entire 4 years. And I think that’s a shame.
- Monk
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Reader S.G. -
Have you noted that the two most successful photographers to come out of Mizzou recently were undergrads who majored in something else, like business?
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Reader K.H. -
Since we’re being honest, let’s be real honest: journalism is a bullshit career to begin with. It’s where you end up if you don’t actually want to learn anything in school. It’s what you do if you need a job that you can be half drunk all day and nobody will notice a dip in your productivity.
What’s more bullshit as a career than writing about what people did yesterday? Taking pictures of what people did yesterday. You don’t even need to know how to spell.
Is it any wonder that so many people go into journalism? You don’t need to take calculus in college, or physics, or quantitative analysis or any other class that teaches you a skill. When you get on the job—if you get a job—you follow a few simple rules like: don’t coach the subject (the Brits I work with think this is the funniest thing that Americans ever came up with), get their names and don’t clone in images of soldiers. Other than that, nobody really knows the difference between a good shot and a bad shot. The reader certainly can’t tell.
Somebody needs to tell the next generation of kids not to expect jobs if they choose journalism as a career. Preach on Monk; preach on.
-Knox Harrington
If you want to change the world start a hedge fund.
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Wow. Well, it’s your point of view, but I’ll post it for the sake of discussion.
- Monk
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Reader S.R.
…I did take calculus in college. I even taught algebra. Glad your doing this “Monk”, it is good stuff. Thanks for sharing your business insights with us. Fully agree that it is shameful that they don’t teach a photography business course at MU. Hope I can buy you all a drink sometime in the future. I’ll be working double-shifts at Chilis though to finance my personal projects of course, but maybe we can fit it in somewhere. Hope you all are well.
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