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The Monk’s Business Series Part 3: How To Bid For Commercial & Advertising Work – III

So what happens when you’re the photographer for the job but the bid isn’t “exactly” what they’re looking for?

More likely than not, you’ll be asked to take a second look at the numbers that don’t seem right.

The important thing to remember during this phase of the process is to leave your creative fees alone. That’s your money, how you value your skills for the job at hand. The more you touch your fees, the more likely they’ll stay down in the future.

Many photographers will look at other line items: stylists, extra assitants, supplies when they need to cut for a particular job. And if you’ve done your bidding correctly, you will have padded these expenses up front just in case you were asked to cut in the future.

I’m not insinuating that you pay your crew cheaply, far from it. You should always pay your people well. You wouldn’t be where you are without them and they should be rewarded. But if you’re operating too heavily, look at streamlining your costs. Maybe there’s a stylist who knows hair and wardrobe. Maybe you can do the photoshop on this job.

There are many tricks of the trade, some I’ll keep to myself, but if you retain the concept to keep your fees untouched you’ll do fine.

 

The Monk

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The Monk’s Business Series Part 3: How To Bid For Commercial & Advertising Work – II

There are a million theories circulating out there on how to bid properly, what questions to ask, should you over or underbid, etc. It can drive you crazy trying to figure out what the wizard is doing behind the curtain. As I mentioned in the previous post, this is an art. It doesn’t make sense why some people receive jobs and others don’t. Many times it’s not based on cost and many times it is. Sometimes you’re wanted because of your style alone and other times you’re competing with 10 other photographers for the same job.

One theory that you can immediately throw out the window is the one you might expect happens most often – that if you do your research, assess the economic conditions and evaluate your competition, your fair bid will be competitive and increase your chances of landing the job. The one flaw in this theory is that it assumes your competition is practicing the same conventional business practices taught to photographers around the country. But as you’ll learn the more you bid, even the most well known business saavy photographers underbid the market for business even while speaking otherwise. At the same time buyers and directors might not be interested in the lowest bid for your potential shoot. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t follow the fundamentals listed above, it means bidding can be a crapshoot. Sometimes you just never know.

Case in point:

An ad agency in the Pacific Northwest called and asked for a bid on producing some web based advertising for a local client. The company wanted the images indefinitely and wanted them exclusively for themselves. After asking the pertinent questions on usage, shooting time, location and mediums I decided to ask for more ‘inside’ information. I wouldn’t recommend doing this with your first bid with a new client but I had a good relationship with the art director and, after all, information is power.

I was able to learn about the other photographers (competition volume) being solicited for bids and the potential range of the bids coming in. I also learned the client was already using a photographer but was unhappy with their work. With this information I could gauge how many photographers I had to compete with for the bid, if the client could afford me to begin with, and also understand that the client was dissatisfied with their current photographer.

I spent hours researching usage fees for exclusive web use for an indefinite time frame and came up with a market competitive number. I then added my shooting fees and prepared my bid for submission. I also had my producer look over the numbers to make sure they made sense and spoke with other photographers to double and triple check the bid. I felt great about it. It was 100% in the bag.

A few days passed and the art director called up. “Nobody got it,” he said. “Not one of the photographers is getting the job, the bids were all too high and they’re sticking with the photographer they’re unhappy with to stay in budget.”

“Really?” I said. “Well, what did the other photographers come in at?”

Again, something you should probably not ask on your first or second bid with a new client, but I needed to fully understand the situation and we have a good relationship.

“You were in the middle,” he said. “(Photographer A) came in at $XXX, (Photographer B) at $XXX…”

This was really interesting for me. Photographer A was relatively well known in the area and often spoke out against photographers undercutting the market. The problem is that Photographer A came in THOUSANDS below the market competitive rate; it was actually the lowest bid in the group by thousands of dollars.

It was good and bad news. The company was unhappy with the work because of a photographer they underpaid due to budgetary constraints.  I was happy to hear this because the company learned the “You Get What You Pay For” lesson.

At the same time, I began second guessing my bid. Something that I’ve come to learn is a waste of time. The bid was in the middle, it was competitive, but how was I so far from Photographer A? Have I been drinking the bidding theory Kool-Aid? Why did Photographer A underbid the market so much? It really bothered me. I began asking around if other photographers heard of such drastic underbidding in their businesses without revealing Photographer A’s name.

The best advice I got was don’t sleep on it, you’ll never figure it out. Bidding is an art.

 

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So what can you do to increase your chances of winning your bid? A good strategy is to understand how many photographers you are bidding against. If you know 10 or more or in the running, you can assume the client wants the lowest price. If they can’t afford you, don’t undervalue yourself. Of course if this happens time and time again, consider cutting costs in your business and adding value for your clients in other areas without lowering your rates.

If there are a few photographers up for the job, they are most likely looking for your style or something close to it. You don’t need to keep your numbers as competitive. Add more value to your bid by offering creative ideas to the process.

Another strategy is to hire a bidding consultant. They do the same for you as agents and you’ll be paying a percentage of your fees to them if you get the job. Consultants are a great strategy especially if you’re new to the bidding game with ad agencies. Make sure you perform your due diligence when finding a consultant. You’ll want someone established and noteworthy. After all, the consultant will be an extension of your business and you don’t want any Joe out there representing your work.

To summarize: Bidding is an art.

In part III we’ll look at what happens when you’re the photographer for the job but your bid isn’t “exactly” what they’re looking for.

 

The Monk
 

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The Monk’s Business Series Part 3: How To Bid For Commercial & Advertising Work – I

It’s a great feeling. You’ve been busting your ass with new concepts and putting book together to showcase a new style. Your marketing efforts have paid off and an advertising client calls you to bid for a regional client. It’s a great feeling…and maybe the most important thing to remember as you go through this process is…it’s an art. Just like that judge who swayed the others that a picture is actually really good in one of those photography contests last year when you were saying to yourself, "You’re kidding me right?"  Just remember it doesn’t have to make sense, there doesn’t have to be a rhyme or reason, and it can drive you nuts. The good thing is the more practice you have the better you will be.

I’ll try to be as basic and general as possible so you can focus on the concepts. You’ll all learn your own tricks of the trade when the time comes but the concepts will last your career.

Bid or Estimate?

An Estimate and Bid are different beasts. Estimates are the expenses, including your shooting fee, to produce a shoot. They are accompanied with the invoices and receipts you collected to produce the campaign and the client pays these expenses at the end of the production. This price changes depending on the costs incurred on the production.

On the other hand, a Bid is your final price up front. The expenses and shooting fees you give the art buyer and final’s final. If you spend over your bid amount, you eat the cost. As a businessperson, bids are much better for you to execute. They provide more room for you to make a profit and usually don’t require you to provide receipts as back-up. If you negotiate with stylists, for example, $50 per day and you bid $150 for stylists, you made $100.

Bottom line: Make sure you clarify what your client needs before you begin.

Fees + Licensing + Expenses = Execution Cost (FLEE)

Your next step is to ask a plethora of questions of your client and of yourself. Ask everything you can. The more you ask the better prepared you will be. The goal here is to fill in the FLEE equation. FLEE is the structure of your bid as you will present it to the client.

Fees – What do you as a photographer want to make for the shoot? What is your creative value for the time you’re needed? The right questions to ask here are: How many days is the shoot for? Where is it located? What is your competition charging? What is the current state of the economy?

Licensing – You are to be compensated for where your pictures are to be used. Think of eye volume here. The more eyes see your image, the more valuable it is to the client. You need to be compensated for that. How long does the client want to use the image? 1 year is much cheaper than 5 years. In what mediums? Print, web, brochure, point of purchase? In what locations? Local, state, regional, national global? Do they want exclusive rights? Meaning, do they want to be the only entity that can use them? That’s worth more to you. You can’t sell your pictures to stock or another company if your client has exclusive rights. They need to compensate you for that as well.

Expenses – What will it cost you to produce the shoot? How much will your crew cost for the number of days…assistants, stylists, wardrobe specialists props, rentals, models, insurance, studio time, meals, etc. Break everything out, I mean EVERYTHING. Don’t skimp out on costs. You’re a businessperson. Unless you want to eat the costs, bid them out.

Execution Costs – The other side of the equation. What all of the above equals. Don’t forget to add sales tax depending on your state of operation.

You have your skeleton after completing the FLEE equation. Now you have to organize it in a professional way with your logo with everything broken down. You also need to include contract terms. When does the client need to pay you? How much advance do they need to pay you? What happens if they don’t pay you on time? What happens if weather prohibits the shoot? All of these things need to be spelled out in your contractual invoice.

To ease your pain throwing all of this together I recommend two software packages that are well worth the investment.  fotoQuote by Cradoc fotoSoftware and Blinkbid. fotoQuote will help you determine licensing fees for usage. Blinkbid will help you prepare your bids and invoices to send to clients. Both are great tools and will help you understand the process in a more professional manner. Cradoc also offers fotoBiz which is similar to Blinkbid and can be purchases in tandem with fotoQuote. I prefer Blinkbid but it’s your call. I don’t have any connection to these companies but love their products.

Some things to note:

Don’t try to mess with Art Buyers. They will most likely know more than you ever will about market values and trends. They deal with numbers on a regular basis and if you try to sneak something by it could harm you in the future. You want to foster the best relationships possible so avoid any headaches.

The Cost Specialist. A relatively new trend with agencies is negotiating with a "cost specialist". It used to be all price negotiations were done with the Art Buyer. You might go back and forth on the cost of an extra stylist for example and settle on something. More and more agencies are adding in another layer of cost scrutiny. After the Art Buyer, a cost specialist might step in and scrutinize something the Art Buyer left out. This can be over something as little as $50 and you might spend hours trying to stand your ground for that money. It’s just something else to be aware of. If you’ve done your research on market prices you’ll be better prepared to argue your case.

Part II will have more about the behind the scenes nature of bidding from a photographer’s perspective and provide an example or two on real world bidding situations.

The Monk

 

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